Is Such A Large Goal Possible?

[DeceasedBubble]

I have one lucid dream every night during the last few hours of my sleep. I'm only able to do so due to pure desires and goals. I haven't been practicing techniques or doing journals (quit that a year ago), but have been practicing a mindset.

Anyways though, my over all goal is to eventually become a fluent lucid dreamer and have mass control over my dreams. I want to gain new knowledge and wisdom that's unavailable in reality. After gaining enough experience and learning to stay in lucid dreams for long periods, I want to see heaven. Of course, I can't experience it, since (Biblical, please don't hate.) God says there's only one way to get to it. I won't go into that subject though. I remember a character in the Bible who had a vision of heaven and was wondered from it. I want to try everything I can in a lucid dream to see if I too can have a vision of it. For example, summon a wizard to give me a vision, force the vision, expect the vision, put on goggles that show the vision, ect.

Think it's possible?
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[TofuZombie]

I think it's definitely possible to experience your inner representation of heaven, though there's no way to check if this is anything like dying for real, or if there even is a heaven.

[spike8742]

Well I believe, that dreams are happening on a higher plane, and therefore they're somewhat in heaven. Thus, I think that there should be a way to get even higher, and experience heaven, starting from a dream. I know that one could convert a lucid dream to astral projection, but I never did that.

By the way I appreciate, your goals.

[Thunal]

You already are a lucid dreamer, all you need to do now is practice, I think. Like TofuZombie said, you might get the closest you can get to Heaven from earth, but not the real thing, unless God has some sort of a use for it.
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I shall forever remain mortal

[keiferr]

It's really a question of whether you think dreams are entirely internal or a bit external, like spike said. I like to think the latter because it's a fascinating idea.

Just learn to control the dream world first, and then see where you can take it.

[piggybankcowboy]

Just a thought:

Personally, I think imagination plays a critical role in the LD experience (and I'm interested to see if those of you who have mastered LD, so to speak, verify this, because, let's face it, I'm a novice). For now, let's say that is true. Wouldn't the imagination then impose limits?

I applaud the goal of gnostic pursuit, but if the information is not available in reality, wouldn't that mean that the information is, then, not available ever? The imagination seems to (seems to, again) operate on a sort of free-form editor of our experienced reality. I tell you to think of a frog, you can easily do it, and probably imagine different varieties of frogs as well. So, now think of frog made of wood. Same thing. So now think of your wooden frog hopping around. An awkward thought, maybe, but you can do it. Now your hopping wooden frog has the wings of a bat. Absurd, sure, but possible in the imagination because even though it doesn't exist in reality, the components of our bat-winged wooden frog can all be found in reality, just not pieced together the way we have built them here.

So, then what if I ask you to think of a shape that cannot exist in reality? Can you? Or are you building a geometric frankestein that can be broken down to very real parts?

I dunno, just an idea I've been toying with, and thought perhaps it was applicable here. I could also be mistaken in your meaning of "knowledge and wisdom that's unavailable in reality." But I suppose the point of all this is open discussion

[Cephis]

[Lace]

Im my opinion, any intention to speak to "god" or experience heaven cannot be done through lucid dreams.

Let me explain...

Lucid dreams are usually based on reality, and our perception of the real world. At no point assume that God or any concept of heaven is like this.

Any intention, will or recall from memory such as, being in a church or even the "desire" to speak to god/experience heaven is a limit on your potential experience.

Next time you come into the dream world, let it go black and stay black, say "ok lucid dream I can sense you, but I'm not getting off the elivator just yet, im still going up" ... even imagine the elevator leading into blackness if you like.

Once at the top - allow yourself to feel seperate from the bonds of your body and mind, and allow yourself to (will-lessly) experience whatever comes.

This in my opinion is the only way to get this sort of experience. The Human mind cannot create or design the experience ... so turn it off.

For further reading this is very similar to "oneness" or "singularity".

[tommyroyall]

I've had visions in dreams, both voluntary AND involuntary.
Its definetly possible.