New Trigger Method?

[dgw897]

Recently I have been thinking of a way to try and consistently have LD's from a normal dream without a conscious reality check and i came up with this theory-
If we could summon our dream guide/ sub-conscious/ DC or whatever, and ask them to come to us in every dream and tell us we were dreaming, would that act as a trigger?
Im not sure if the DC or whoever would even be able to, but then again the sub-conscious is a weird place and i reckon it would be worth a try.
Anyone who reads this please try it and post the results, if it works this could be a way to have a LD every dream
'call dibs on the idea if it works'
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[Rik]

Has been tried a million times before, the technique never stuck.

Think about it for a moment. You're pretty much telling yourself to remember yourself that you're dreaming. That sounds, like, I don't know, trying to lucid dream without any techniques, maybe?
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[dgw897]

shame, would have been cool

[spike8742]

I quote an instance from the book of Paul Tholey, and Kaleb Utecht, the Schöpferisch Träumen Der Klartraum als Lebenshilfe. I have to translate it from hungarian, because I think the english translation of the book doesn't exist, and thus, I cannot copy it and paste it, from a pdf format file or from whatever. The instance is a dream:

""...I'm in a hallway, and I'm calling a certain, woman dream charachter, who with I met often, in my previous dreams. One of the doors of the rooms opens, and the called woman appears. I say to her this: "could you call me in my next dream?" The woman nods friendly.
On the same night, I had a so called normal dream, however I don't remember its contents. I only know, that I woke up to that, that someone's calling me loudly: "Paul!". I was scared, and I ran out of the bedroom, to see, that who was calling me. Ofcourse, no-one was there.
After I fell into sleep again, this time I had a lucid dream, and in this, I met with the woman dream character, from the first dream. I said to her, that I didn't mean the calling in its literal meaning, my request meant rather that, that help me to reach the level of lucid dreaming, in my next dream too. The next night, in my normal dream, the same woman character appeared, and she warned me that I'm dreaming."

In this example, not only that is essential, that with a dream character, we can apparently make an agreement, and it also keeps to the agreement, but that fact either, that between the dream-self and dream character, a misunderstanding could also take place. It stands beside this, that the dream-self and dream character, think independently from eachother. Results of the experimental dreams, serve with several such evidences, on the ground of which, we can assume, that in the sense, which was previously unfolded by us, the dream characters have own minds. At the same time, we cannot consider the dream reports as scientific evidences.
If we ask the dream characters their selves, that if they have own minds, often they answer furiously. One of our dreamers received this answer: "I know that I have a mind. But I doubt that you too have one, if once you're asking such nonsense!"
- Now what shall I say to this...?"

From this example you can see that it could work, and someone has done it already.
I hope the translation is good and understandable, and the contexts and formulation are not strange anywhere.

[dgw897]

Thanks, that does make sense and is very interesting. Maybe it is futile but i think it is something i will attempt anyway next LD. Who knows what will happen? after all everyone's brain works differently.
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[spike8742]

I'm curious whether you'll succeed or not. Report back the results, after you've tried!

[Conor12]

The closest thing to this technique that works well is having the intention that you will see a certain character/be in a certain place in your next dream. Some of the common techniques employ re-entering certain dreams, or making yourself have a certain dream.
Using this, you can say "I will dream about (insert character/setting/thing) tonight" and "When I see (character/setting/thing) I will realize that I'm dreaming. This is taking things one step further from dreamsigns which occur naturally and MAKING certain dreamsigns appear to recognise.
So you could, I suppose, tell yourself that in your next dream a certain character would tell you that you were dreaming, but this doesn't seem very reliable. If you don't wish to put in all the effort to do reality checks and observe the nature of your own reality then at least have the motivation to notice a certain dreamsign and use that to become lucid. Doing it all yourself takes the most effort, noticing dreamsigns to become lucid instead of having to think about it yourself is a little easier (as long as you are proficient enough to know your own dreamsigns well) and letting the dream tell you itself is the easiest, but the least effective. Although this happens occasionally and without any planning, it's better to rely on yourself to realize that your'e dreaming, not the dream itself.

[dgw897]

I may try this! as for the technique i originally mentioned, i have moved away from trying this, i found a method that works much better for myself so i didnt really invest any effort into the original technique. If anyone is curious the way i now do it is by the usual reality checks through the day and with my alarm clock. I guess my internal 'clock' has gotten in tune with how long i sleep because when i dream i always find about half an hour before my alarm i feel myself very slowly waking, and with that i can get proper awareness and Lucidity as it gets to a point where i become aware of the dream and remember myself fully.
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