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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:57 am    Post subject: Biokinesis OMG must read Reply with quote

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMIGODDDDD! Razz '

so i had NO idea were to put this, but has anyone ever heard of biokinesis, its the use of special visualization to modify your genetic structure, and scince human genes are self correcting, u cant die or anything

anyway, i found out about this wen i was looking for ways to change my eye color (grey is boring ) and so i found this anyway it does really work, take my word for it, so anyway, change ur eye color or whatever, BUT just BUT, in theory could u use it to make it so u lucid dream every night?

LETS TALK ABOUT IT Arrow

No titles in ALL CAPS please ~TLS
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So how does this work exactly?? Confused
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

biokinesis isn't exactly something I believe in.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm generally inclined to say nothing is impossible, but this gets very close. Wink

What makes you say that "it really works"? What has it done for you?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well it has been argued that consciousness is the controlling factor that governs how material manifestation is constructed.
But that aspect of consciousness is beyond the personal "self" so to take the personal consciousness and have it able to achieve some influence over the more cosmic consciousness would be highly doubtful.

You would probably be much easier served in buying coloured contacts to change your eye colours.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Biokinesis is not to be found on wikipedia. In fact, it's only dodgy websites that come up when I run a search.

The websites I find when I run a different type of search (deep web), talk about by biokinesis as in "movement of living stuff". The suffix -kinesis means 'movement' after all.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lucidism wrote:
I'm generally inclined to say nothing is impossible, but this gets very close. Wink

What makes you say that "it really works"? What has it done for you?


gonna sound crazy, but i changed my eye color from grey to purple, and im not kidding Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tree_hugger720 wrote:
Lucidism wrote:
I'm generally inclined to say nothing is impossible, but this gets very close. Wink

What makes you say that "it really works"? What has it done for you?


gonna sound crazy, but i changed my eye color from grey to purple, and im not kidding Very Happy


I for one am open to all things possible . The problem here is that we have placed science reseach and experts on a pedestal n have been worshipping them. Everything the reports in the papers journals has to be right n super true. How dare we even think otherwise. Our puny brains n minds just are not that great. We should all just bow down to what science deems possible and impossible and live within those confinements. It would be dumb of us to even think of challenging notions that have been controlling our way of thinking and our lives for centuries. All hail science and scientists and may we all deem ourselves and our experiences inferior and nonsensical because science cant prove it.

Bottomline. We arent gonna be living our dreams if we dont start thinking out of the box.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lavendergarden, that is a very negative and most of all false view on science. A good scientist IS open to all things, wishes to investigate them. It's just that these things have nothing going for them. It's like investigating if there's a spaghetti monster in space. Nobody's going to research that, but it hasn't been disproven, has it?
And, yes, in a way, we are inferior to science. As people, our experiences are coloured by our personalities. Lightning becomes the weapon of a god, a storm becomes the anger of another god and stuff like that. What science does is aim to remove those 'glasses' and objectively investigate and explain the world around us.

However, personalities and emotions are what made us survive these past 200000 years (Don't quote me on that number, not sure), because they allow us to react quickly within the space of a second. A rational assessment would take longer, in which time you'd have been dead.

What science does is think outside of the box. Science thinks rationally and aims to improve and rejuvenate, unlike the human tendency to stay with the traditional and rely on feelings.

That is all.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

O.o way popular post Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi TLS

U are clearly science's puppet and its you who is negative. There are so many times where research has deemed the subject inconclusive or worse wrong as time goes by. I for one am not going to allow science to be the judge of my experiences in life. Valid or not valid? thats up to me to define based on my experiences with my experiments NOT SCIENCE. The last thing I need to do is base my conclusion if something is possible or impossible on something I've read written by a bunch of people who can come up with theories that seem applicable bcos thoese theories havent been challenged.

Lets all crush our dreams and stay unexpressed because all the information out there points to gibberish.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have merged your posts for you, please refrain from double posting next time.

That's the mod message, onto my personal opinion.
I cannot remember when I raged this hard last time. I cannot stand to be called a puppet and I'm certainly not a negative person. Besides, this is ad hominem and I ask you not to do this again. There are so many times where [scientific] research has deemed the subject inconclusive or wrong as time goes by. To say that, is to say that the subject is OBJECTIVELY SPEAKING inconclusive or wrong. What you want to do with this knowledge, that is up to you. You aren't going to allow science to be the judge of your experiences. Neither am I. I want to use the knowledge science has gained for things I can use, ways I can enhance my experiences. I wouldn't be into lucid dreaming if it weren't for science.
"It's up to me to define based on my experiences with my experiments NOT SCIENCE."
Basing things on the knowledge gained through experiments is the heart of science. What science does, however, is double check these findings to see if the performer of the experiment has been objective.
"The last thing I need to do is base my conclusion if something is possible or impossible on something I've read written by a bunch of people who can come up with theories that seem applicable bcos thoese theories havent been challenged."
Have you ever read a science magazine? Not something like the Quest (Dutch magazine), but Science or like it. All of these magazines have a section wherein critiques from other scientists are put from the month before. I can give you examples if you wish. Every theory (it's better to speak of hypothesis in this case) has been challenged.
Remember Einstein? His teacher told him that studying physics might not be a smart idea, because there were only a few problems left in the current theories, which would be fixed soon. Well, Einstein did study physics and proceeded to mix everything up with his theories of relativity and quantummechanics. Einstein challenged the current theories.

"Lets all crush our dreams and stay unexpressed because all the information out there points to gibberish."
That is not true. Science has been able to prove lucid dreaming and some properties of the dreamworld, like mental time in dreams being about the same as in the real world, that it is hard to read text in your dreams, that kind of stuff. All information points somewhere, and if it seemingly doesn't, science aims to find out what the system behind it is.

I recommend you read up on Wikipedia's article on the scientific method to find something more about it.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Lets all crush our dreams and stay unexpressed because all the information out there points to gibberish."

This thread is a discussion of biokenisis and doing whats deemed "impossible". I was refering to living our lives to the fullest in WAKING reality and going against the grain of conventional thought and so called wisdom to achieve ones goals and not letting wonderful science tell us "No it cant be done bcos its not scientifically proven."

“The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.” ALBERT EINSTEIN

Einstein was a SCIENTIST who was EXTREMELY WELL AWARE of what the INTUITIVE mind held for each and everyone of us and how SCIENCE is deemed more relevant that our intuitive thoughts and experiences in our society today and yes seems like U have forgetten the GIFT.

"Imagination is more important than knowledge." ALBERT EINSTEIN

"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage -- to move in the opposite direction." ALBERT EINSTEIN

"The only real valuable thing is intuition." ALBERT EINSTEIN

I'd rather eat rat poison that read the wiki article u suggested.

Apologies for the double posts moderators. I just have to add abit more to my previous post. These thoughts only came to me after I had posted earlier.

For Einstein, insight did not come from logic or mathematics. It came, as it does for artists, from intuition and inspiration. As he told one friend, "When I examine myself and my methods of thought, I come close to the conclusion that the gift of imagination has meant more to me than any talent for absorbing absolute knowledge." Elaborating, he added, "All great achievements of science must start from intuitive knowledge. I believe in intuition and inspiration.... At times I feel certain I am right while not knowing the reason" Thus, his famous statement that, for creative work in science, "Imagination is more important than knowledge" (Calaprice, 2000, 22, 287, 10).

The above is an excerpt from

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/imagine/201003/einstein-creative-thinking-music-and-the-intuitive-art-scientific-imagination

"I wouldn't be into lucid dreaming if it weren't for science."

Its a shame that you have to wait for science to give nods before you can embark on anything. Just ask children even toddlers out there who are already lucid dreaming spontaneously if they needed an explanation from science on the thrills and joys and discovery of lucid dreaming and kids dont need any restraints on their imagination to take them to places of discovery and creativity. If they have to wait for Science to give so called valid explanations about inner discovery then the only thing Science seem to be doing is hampering their creativity.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lavendergarden wrote:
"Lets all crush our dreams and stay unexpressed because all the information out there points to gibberish."

This thread is a discussion of biokenisis and doing whats deemed "impossible". I was refering to living our lives to the fullest in WAKING reality and going against the grain of conventional thought and so called wisdom to achieve ones goals and not letting wonderful science tell us "No it cant be done bcos its not scientifically proven."

“The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.” ALBERT EINSTEIN

Einstein was a SCIENTIST who was EXTREMELY WELL AWARE of what the INTUITIVE mind held for each and everyone of us and how SCIENCE is deemed more relevant that our intuitive thoughts and experiences in our society today and yes seems like U have forgetten the GIFT.

"Imagination is more important than knowledge." ALBERT EINSTEIN

"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage -- to move in the opposite direction." ALBERT EINSTEIN

"The only real valuable thing is intuition." ALBERT EINSTEIN

I'd rather eat rat poison that read the wiki article u suggested.

Apologies for the double posts moderators. I just have to add abit more to my previous post. These thoughts only came to me after I had posted earlier.

For Einstein, insight did not come from logic or mathematics. It came, as it does for artists, from intuition and inspiration. As he told one friend, "When I examine myself and my methods of thought, I come close to the conclusion that the gift of imagination has meant more to me than any talent for absorbing absolute knowledge." Elaborating, he added, "All great achievements of science must start from intuitive knowledge. I believe in intuition and inspiration.... At times I feel certain I am right while not knowing the reason" Thus, his famous statement that, for creative work in science, "Imagination is more important than knowledge" (Calaprice, 2000, 22, 287, 10).

The above is an excerpt from

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/imagine/201003/einstein-creative-thinking-music-and-the-intuitive-art-scientific-imagination

"I wouldn't be into lucid dreaming if it weren't for science."

Its a shame that you have to wait for science to give nods before you can embark on anything. Just ask children even toddlers out there who are already lucid dreaming spontaneously if they needed an explanation from science on the thrills and joys and discovery of lucid dreaming and kids dont need any restraints on their imagination to take them to places of discovery and creativity. If they have to wait for Science to give so called valid explanations about inner discovery then the only thing Science seem to be doing is hampering their creativity.

To avoid double posting, you can go to your previous post and click on the 'edit'-button in the top-right corner.

I have never said anything about the intuitive mind. I KNOW what the subconscious can do. How can I not? I am a lucid dreamer.

I don't have to wait for science, but I have a strong distaste for things that have no indication of existing, where the 'experts' go into great detail how to achieve certain effects. Moreover, most of these things that people experience can be explained by the placebo effect.

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I'd rather eat rat poison that read the wiki article u suggested.

I wish not to discuss any further which such a blatant ignorant person. I'm prepared to see what you have in store for me as evidence and I'll try to look at it and see if it holds under my standards. You, on the other hand, don't understand what science actually is and refuse to learn about it. Why refuse to learn something new? Why refuse to learn about the things unknown? Isn't that one of your ideals?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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'Biokinesis is not to be found on wikipedia. In fact, it's only dodgy websites that come up when I run a search. '


I have a background in science and work in a science related industry. So yes I do see both sides of the coin. I dont shoot down concepts SO QUICKLY just bcos there isnt alot of credible websites on the subject matter according to u.

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"And, yes, in a way, we are inferior to science"


I definitely dont consider my thoughts and views inferior to science like u. Whats the matter? Have no respect for your own views if it isnt validated by science?

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I don't have to wait for science, but I have a strong distaste for things that have no indication of existing, where the 'experts' go into great detail how to achieve certain effects. Moreover, most of these things that people experience can be explained by the placebo effect.


Ooh the placebo effect, thanks science for telling me that an empty pill can still do wonders. An empty yet effective pill that works...mind boggling indeed...ooh... Yea Im all straightened out now because it fully makes sense to me that a pill with zilch in it can heal and do wonders.Im sure schools are all revising their Science books to teach students how expectations can influence outcome.

Yea I am pretty much done with someone who clearly seems confused and lacks self respect for himself and clearly little self worth if he can go into a rage over the term science puppet.
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