disscussion about dream lenght and experiance

[jason v]

ohh, ok.

i geuss that makes sense... i was just reading an article written by a guy who was in laberge's hawaii dream school... he mentioned that laberge had told the class if you think about the dream too much you will wake up. the trick is to hover right inbetween non lucidity and waking up.

do you mean if i wanted to do something in a lucid dream, that i had planned and is really long and scripted i couldnt do it exactly as i hoped?

[Eastern minded]

That's exactly what i am getting at. I know there are veterans, who could deny this. People who could carry out what they planned. To me it's like another level, but before i need to clear another level in between, that is staying longer. We must have a handful of Lucid dreams lasting 5 or 6 minutes, before it becomes a natural side to it, then we could assume more control and freedom. Carry out our longer scripts without much deliberate effort.

[jason v]

your right, there does seem to be ''levels" to a dreamers maturity.

last night i had a LD in my forst rem period and it lasted longer than most. i didnt think about "i am dreaming, my body is in bed, i hope i dont wake up, this isnt real..."

i just started doing things. my lucidity level was somewhate diminished but i was still lucid and still dreaming!

thanks for the help. i might soon overcome my problems.

[Eastern minded]

I'm a lucid infant, jason. I've learned to walk, learned to fly but i can't make things disappear or levitate a guy from drowning. Holding longer is another question!

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@jason

Im croatian too xD too much croatian LDers here now

MY longest LD was like 5 minutes and that was struggling with it.
Croatians share problems.

[nailgirl10]

I am actually really happy with this thread, because I have been at this for about 13 months, and only recently have I had a few LD's that seem to be over 10 minutes. I think I have had 3 that were 10-15 minutes (my best guess). What I find interesting is that I always thought I would remember everything, especially when lucid...but I have a hard time with that. Shouldn't it be an objective to try really hard to recall them, and commit them to more permanent memory so you can "revisit" your experiences for enjoyment? (Rather than just enjoy them while you are in them?)
It is quite perplexing, to have a great experience...then wake up without the recall. It would be sort of like it didn't happen at all. I guess there are always going to be those parts that were profound enough that your brain would be compelled to let you remember. There were plenty of "blank spots" in my last LD.
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[Eastern minded]

I agree to everything you said. But I stand (and jason i believe, while posting this topic), stand at a completely opposite end of the situation as compared to you.
I have always faced an issue with the length of the experience, being on the shorter side; and a few times i attributed it to the habit of 'trying to burn the events into a permanent memory, while still dreaming'.

Now that you have a feel of having lucid dreams lasting about a dozen minutes, you could try to be more attentive and build some method for recalling the wonderful moments you had. Of course it's sad, if you know you had a great lengthy dream but if that's all you know! But for me i thought, maybe i should just compromise the afterwards recall for the sake of building a knack for longer dreams.

Uh, it's annoying that the dream memory is just a shadow memory always, i wonder what's the scientific reason for it.

[Cadellin]

Laberge once did an experiment to test the perception of time in a lucid dream. He had an oneironaut enter a dream and then move his eyes left and right once a second. He had him repeat the same test while awake, and the timings pretty much matched up.

In other words, the dream can only last as long as the REM cycle, so the maximum dream length is going to be about two hours.

I will agree that there are many less experienced users who post short lucids, but I think this is mainly down to their recall. Even I, who have been LDing for nearly two years still occasionally get ones where you can only remember a few vague details.

Dont be dissuaded by the apparent shortness, they are longer than you think.
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[Cadellin]

i said that the MAXIMUM dream length would be two hours. you dont necesarily dream the entire time. even then, you could go up to three hours in one of the later REM cycles; they get longer through the night. Quite often people drift in and out of the waking state during the REM stage, and so it could be split into chunks.
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[Zipz]

I have many bad experiences about the lenght of LDs.
Somewhere I've read that someone said (that sentence sounds great, right? =D ):
When I cared about the quality of my dreams, the lenght became longer.
I think he/she wanted to say: the more you care about, the more problems you get with it. Correct me if I interpret this wrong, I only had dreams with the lenght of half a minute, some were still amazing.
However, the more LDs you get, the better you will become on this. Don't give up!

[FlameStick]

Well yes the more you try and all but my problem is i can have LDs when i REALLY want to but requires focus during the day and you have to be way into it before sleep and often i got other things on my mind or just lazy .

I had 15-20 LDs so far and i think none lasted for more than 2-3 minutes.
I always prepare on what to say or what to experiment with but i forget 50% of the stuff i intended and its really annoying.

Like i NEVER do a reality check in a dream i just know its a dream and i always forget to do one and i wanna try going trough a door and telling a ''dream admin'' (my subconcius) to make my dreams more vivid and damn to make them last longer but i ALWAYS forget that.

I guess practice makes perfect!

[Cadellin]

dude, you don't need to ask "dream admins" to change stuff in your dream for you. remember, YOU are the one in control. Everything you see around you is generated by you.

Thats how we can have these godlike powers. Where is your Saiyan pride?

and yeah couldnt resist the DBZ reference.
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[joethfc]

Judging by the likes of Luka Modric and Niko Kranjcar I would say that the Croatians are a very creative people.

[Cadellin]

ah, you should have seen what Riku was like when he did lucid dreaming on here. He was regularly getting like 30-40 a month, top of the charts every single time. and then he "got bored" and went away.
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