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Mencius



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 5:49 am    Post subject: Has anyone tried neurofeedback? Reply with quote

I've had several lucid dreams with the MILD technique, but find it hard to maintain awareness in WILDs and end up just falling asleep. I've experienced sleep paralysis and some other pretty cool stuff, but so far it hasn't led to a full blown lucid dream for me. I just watched the youtube video on WILDs and it gave me an idea.

I haven't tried neurofeedback personally, but from what I've read it sounds like it allows you to learn how to cause different brain states to arise (eg. theta, alpha, etc.). My question is for anyone who has tried it before. Do you think it would be possible to learn how to induce a sleep state on demand, like you can for other states?

I think this is interesting, because if it's possible, you could then learn how to go to sleep 'consciously' and efficiently, which would also be useful for anyone who suffers from insomnia. I know sometimes I'm too excited about dreaming to fall asleep right away.

Anyway, just wondering out loud...
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IrbidProdigy



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me I'm not even sure of binaural beats work very efficiently, but I suppose they still work. If we could induce a sleep state on demand we would need to know how to do that with our mind alone, either by imagining beats, or some other techniques? Then it could be possible to do so and that would be awesome :]
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Mencius



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm by no means an expert in the subject. I just finished this amazing book by Jeff Warren, called "The Head Trip: Adventures on the Wheel of Consciousness". He talks about lucid dreaming, neurofeedback, hypnosis and lots of other cool states our brains are capable of.

According to what I've read, neurofeedback simply shows you when you're achieving the desired mental state, so you learn what it feels like and how to "get there" from your current state of consciousness. There is usually a screen that shows something move when you're achieving the desired state. The example in the book is a cyclist that will move faster when Jeff is relaxed and alert (SMR training) and will stop if Jeff looses that state. This way he can eventually learn to bring about that state on demand.
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IrbidProdigy



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow i needa read that book... seems interesting. Thanks Very Happy
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Mencius



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great book! I just re-read it a few weeks ago.
http://www.headtrip.ca/
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Allura



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use binaural beats from the Monroe Institute, typically when I meditate, but they do sell a set for lucid dreaming. I have found that days that I meditate using the CDs, I often have a lucid dream the following night. Is this because of the binaural beats or the meditations is anyone's guess.

If you haven't read Robert Monroe's trilogy yet, I highly recommend it!
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Mencius



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you haven't read Robert Monroe's trilogy yet, I highly recommend it!


Thanks for the tip - googling him right now.

I've tried binaural beats too, but found in my case they affected me only a little, but weren't that helpful unless I was in a noisy environment - but white noise might have been just as effective, I'm not sure. I guess personal mileage may vary.

So far, what's helped me the most has been practising meditation, relaxation techniques, and self hypnosis. I find these types of practices help me settle into a relaxed alertness and have transferable skills that can be applied in many situations, like if I need to calm anxieties or just focus on something in a chaotic environment. Actually, learning to lucid dream has helped me become more mindful in general, which is in my opinion almost makes the actual lucid dreams themselves the icing on the cake ^_^
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owlsarepretty083



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello! this complex question. Here it is necessary to think ...
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JackMcInerney



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, Mencius, the book is great! I've found an awesome review at dolphins pearl 777 com. You may read it too.
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panistefanin



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:30 am    Post subject: bok Reply with quote

Hello! Very interesting topic, thank you raised it
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