Surpassing Lucidity?

[StevenJ]

Forgive this stupendous run on sentence but it's the only way I can frame the question it seems...

Has anyone else seemed to reach a point where lucidity seems to move past awakening within the dream, interest in wish fulfillment, then what I call the uninhabited virtual dreamscape and right back into an almost cognitively non-lucid narrative dream but with lucid like heightened sensory "input" and infused with relevant waking (external daily life) imagery and story?

I'll try again… After years of lucid dreaming I find once lucid I move within moments to a vibrant almost prophetic dream state that informs my current waking life and following day. "Prophetic" as to mere deeper clarity to life's daily events. But with the exception of some willed flight and wonderment of the dreamworld there seems to be little awareness that I am dreaming while in this new caliber of dream. These dreams have the clarity and vibrancy of lucid dreams and begin with the realization that I am dreaming but don't fall back into the usual murky non-lucid dream but continue vibrantly and enthusiastically but with almost no continuing conscious awareness that I am in a dream world.

I kind of miss holding onto full awareness of my true biological and psychological state all the while exploring the dreamscape.

[Rox]

Not sure if I understand but you say that this next level is a sort of non-lucid dream, with the senses of a lucid dream and a story like in waking life?

But is this surpassing? To me it seems like a downgrade because you move from the top level of awareness to a lower state in witch you don't (want to) recognize your dream. What are you persuading with this?

[Rik]

Yeah, that's happened to me a couple times as well. Basically, the dream keeps all its capacities (very vivid and such), but you pretty much lose your lucidity.
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[Lence]

I think I know what you mean. I've recently started practicing LDing again and here's what's been happening to me the last couple of nights: I'm in an ordinary non-lucid dream, until at some point I "sense" something is not right. Then I start to become aware of my dreamstate and this lucidity builds very fast up till an almost meditative state. The dream environment around me increases in clarity. For some reason, I then "snap back" into a non-lucid state of mind and the dream continues, but the dream is much more clear and I'm having a lot more fun (without really being conscious of it being a dream). It's like I realized something, which made me continue dreaming non-lucidly, but I don't remember what.

I thought about why this happens and maybe it's my memory of my waking life not being accessible enough. I also haven't set any clear LD goals yet (other than "explore the dreamworld" which isn't really a goal), so I might not know what to do with the lucid state, which makes me decide to go with the dream instead. Just like you, I wish I could hold on to that awareness and explore the dream in that state. I'm working on it

[StevenJ]

Good to hear others have experienced this and that I made enough sense in explaining it.

Lence, I believe "explore the dream world" can be a plenty sufficient goal. Either when starting or when you hit a road block with intentions.

Rox, it does kind of feel like a down grade upon waking the next day and reflecting because I perceive missed opportunity. Really though it is still brighter and more alert than a common murky dream.