A theory about dream worlds and existance -Need feedback-

[Geka]

I've been reading other peoples experiences with their dream world, as I am still in the begining stages of this experiment. But what I've noticed in all the "stories" is that it can all be just too real.

Before I continue my theory, although it doesent really matter much: I am an atheist and I do not truly belive in any god/religion, and I rely on solid evidence more often than not, to prove that something exists.

Now on with the theory.

I am going to use some examples from the Christian religion as it is the most "popular" religion in the region I live in.

People In lucid dreams have control of their surroundings, meaning they can teleport,fly,cast spells, change form, create places/planets/galaxies ect. But doesent that fit into the concept of "God" quite well. Hear me out. Lets take this crazy idea into consideration for a moment, just bear with me on this one. We are someones Lucid dream. No matter what religion you're in, some strange stuff was written down over our existance, some strange buildings, things were happening through our time. What if that "God" no matter from what religion you are is acually a lucid dreamer. A lucid dreamer could probably turn watter into wine, walk on watter, fly, survive a crusifiction ect, make rain, make sunshine, make animals. Lets take a look at Nazca lines for example. What if "wild idea" a Lucid dreamer made them, with a point of the finger for his entertainment. He may have had a lucid dream once or a few times, created and messed around with all of this, and then not have a lucid dream for a long time. We could possibly be in a small part of someones or somethings subconcious. And the world we live in develops corresponding to that persons subconcious, and when he has a Lucid dream he changes things? Since the universe can be considered infinite maby the infinity of the universe signifiys the infinite of a dream. He could have "made up" the planet earth, and then never remembered it again, and just "change things" elsewhere.

It's a wild theory with no evidence supporting it, but since I've read what people have said (Hope it's true) it Oddly fits the description of a "god" in a world.

Edit (forgot this part)

So what if when we Lucid dream we create permanent worlds that exist in our subconcious, then if we dont return to that world that world just exists on from the time it was created. Every dream we dream could be a whole new world we create that "exists" for the "imagginary" people that live in them. So immaginary we could be one of them.

Edit2 (More theories)

The most recognised scientific theory of the creation of everything we know is the Big bang. The big bang expanded from one single point that was so miniscule we cannot comprehend it. But what came behind that point? Was there nothing? So first there was nothing, and then there was something...hmmm, doesent that sound familiar? You sleep, then a dream world gets created in which you dream? But before that dream world there was nothing? So creation of the universe: nothing->something ; Dreaming: Nothing->Dream world. One more wild theory to think about.


Thoughts and Opinions?

[mouserider]

The theory is correct, logically speaking.

The problem is, we give different names to the same concepts. Of which there are only two. (according to this theory) And since we call them in so many names, there is no actual word for them. To keep it simple, let's call them macrocosmos and microcosmos.

From a theoretical God's perspective our world would be a lot like series of thoughts. So God would be our macrocosmos and our world would be his microcosmos (one of the many). Just like your thoughts are to you. Or electrons are to matter and planets are to galaxies.

I could go on and on, but what I'm trying to say, from a scientific perspective, the idea of a higher order intelligence is not so far fetched. But it doesn't concern us. It's out of our league.
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[Rik]

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[4amlucidity]

I have two problems your theory.

1) you say you don't believe any thing that can't be proven without solid evidence, if you believe this where is your proof?

2) If we are the creation of someone else's dream and that creator is "GOD" and I exist because I am a creation of his lucid dream, and we also create our own world with our dreams then according to your theory each one of us is in turn a GOD.

This is an interesting theory, please elaborate more on how you came to this idea and why you believe in it. If Jesus did the things he did because he was a lucid dreamer then why can't we do it in this world as he did. Because in my dreams others are able to do some pretty amazing things as well, not just me.

[Lence]

Ok I was going to make a joke about laying off the bong for a moment, but I'll try a serious response instead.

First of all, yes, everything did came from nothing according to the Big Bang theory. Check out this video. Also, the book A Universe from Nothing: Why There is Something Rather than Nothing by L.M. Krauss addresses this topic in a scientific, non-creationist way. Ironically though, the "why" is not really explained. Science can only talk about the "how".

For a more philosophical viewpoint on nothingness, I'd strongly recommend the work of Alan Watts.

Secondly, I think you're right in comparing "our reality" with a dream. However, you're assuming that, in a lucid dream, there's an all-powerful lucid dreamer and a dream, while in fact, 1) they're one and the same and 2) a lucid dreamer isn't always omnipotent. Both the perceiver and the perceived are part of the same mind. In a dream, you can't point to who's creating and who's not creating. It's all One mind, you see?

[4amlucidity]

Lence....A+

[Geka]

[4amlucidity]

[mouserider]

[Lence]

[Conor12]

This is a very interesting theory. I have often considered it and have to admit that it has some merit. However, this cannot be proven and there are a few flaws, as pervious posts have pointed out. If Jesus was lucid dreaming, he was a very polite lucid dreamer, refraining from much of the LD activity most of us wold be guilty of. Have any of you had a lucid dream where you simply walked around telling people that you were the Messiah? Jesus must have had some idea of the fact that his dream characters had their own consciousness or else he wouldn't have acted with restraint or like we were people (then again, God did flood everything). Most don't hesitate to abuse their dream characters. But what if they were actually real?
And if this theory is true, are there different 'grades' of existence? Is there a fintite end to the macrocosmos in which there is a God at the end of the chain? Or does it simply go forever, each 'God' being simply a dream character in another's dream? I have to admit, the concept of being a God is very exciting. But also, do the lucid dreams change every level of 'Godness' you go down? Because our world is incredibly detailed and regulated, whilst our dreams are only partially so, with non-sequitor occurrences, dream characters morphing into others and other dream characters displaying powers once the dreamer becomes lucid, as a previous post mentioned. Possibly, every level of dreaming downwards becomes less stable, with less logical regulation.
Finally, are the dream worlds created by people continuous? Are my dreams in the same world that I first created during my first ever dream? Or is each dream a different created world entirely? In that case, do these dream worlds end when the dreamer (God) wakes up, or do they continue uninterrupted forever afterwards. Are we God's continuing dream? Or are we living in a single dream that will end when God wakes up? Or are we abandoned, a dream that God once had and will never return to?
It's an exciting concept. If we were God over our dreams, the dream characters living them would be used to strange occurrences (which to them would be normal). And every night we would be a God, entering our created dominion... Seven billion Gods on one planet. And perhaps seven billion in each of our dreams.

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[dgw897]

This theory sounds interesting, but how would it explain death? in a dream you can blow someone up or disintegrate them, but leave them alone and in my dreams they do fine, so what would cause us, the DCs, to die?
Also if this is true then it makes me a horrible person, because i have killed and manipulated lots of people in my dreams
It is amusing to think that maybe what we consider normal, for example gravity, could be thougth of as stupid and ridiculous, only occurring in a dream.
Overall, a really interesting theory, but hard to prove.
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[alppdcjr12]

Well, it definitely has a lot of merit as a theory; I think that it can't be proven (how can the piece understand the whole, unless through understanding in full its role?) but regardless it is a valid idea and one worth contemplating. There was and Enlgish (I think...) phhilosopher who wrote that he believed the Universe was God getting to know itself. I think an interesting way to think about it is as if the universe is a thought within the mind of a God, a being for whom all of this is but a minute part, and that that being itself is part of a system that is a thought, and that this goes on for eternity in infinte dimensions and quantities. It's certainly a fun way to think of it, and lucidity--or any self-awareness and mindfulness of this higher truth--I think is closer to spirituality than most religions tend to get (although that depends on the way you practice). Great thoughts man, I wish you luck on your journey!