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riptide4



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:29 pm    Post subject: God is a dreamer? Reply with quote

Let me start off like this: I'm atheist more or less.
But I did see a thought provoking post. It said that in dreams you are god.
Food for thought. I'm doing this out of curiosity not out of belief but if god did exist like Christians though he did and acted more or less the same would it be safe to say he is like a lucid dreamer? Did god have to go through nightmares and turmoil of learning? Does god dream and create us? Are we all DCs?
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Dets65



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very interesting... Taking dreams very seriously, you may just be a god in an LD.
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Lence
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's this story about Gautama Buddha...

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It is said that soon after his enlightenment the Buddha passed a man on the road who was struck by the Buddha's extraordinary radiance and peaceful presence.

The man stopped and asked, "my friend, what are you? Are you a celestial being or a god?"

"No", said the Buddha

"Well, then, are you some kind of magician or wizard?"

Again the Buddha answered, "no"

"Are you a man?"

"No"

"Well, my friend, then what are you?"

The Buddha replied, "I am awake"


If your definition of "God" is some omnipotent, omnipresent force or entity, then no, He wouldn't necessarily be a lucid dreamer. He could just be another dreamer - with superpowers. Razz Lucidity is simply being awake in a dream.
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roman67



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting thread Riptide. You can do anything in your LD’s. You are actually the god in your LD. As Lence said, Lucidity is simply being awake in a dream.
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gman42



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm religious myself and have always thought that the power of creation we have in dreaming and especially lucid dreams might be on par with a deity creating a universe or everything. You have nearly limitless capabilities so wouldn't that be something that an all powerful deity would feel? Anyways who knows maybe life is all but a dream or the matrix. Though if it were a dream wouldn't us knowing it's a dream theoretically give us great power?
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riptide4



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Knowledge is power
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Conor12



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always loved this concept. It's so interesting. I suppose that we are gods over our individual dreams, but our dream characters may not be sentient people. There is no proof that they aren't, but there is no proof that they are real people either. This begs the question, are our dreams "real"? What is the definition of "real"? Real doesn't exist. What is real to you is your perceptions and thoughts, so what is reality for you is not the same as someone else's "real". There is no definition of real, and in fact, possibly no meaningful difference between what is real and what is not.
So if your experiences are your reality, then your dreams are real. That would make you God over your dreams. There is a belief held by some that existence is simply a chain of "Gods" each dreaming up the next universe. So each one of us is God over each one of our dream characters, and each of them are God over their own personal dreams, and onwards. Inversely, we are all the dream of a higher God, who is a dream character of yet another, even higher God, etcetera, on to infinity, or possibly to the highest possible level of "God", who would be the true God. So would logical laws of nature break down further at each level? Because our dreams are more unstructured than our waking life, so our dream characters' dreams would be more unstructured still. And the God dreaming us all up would live in a world with even more structure, for example, perhaps without the ridiculous quantum probablility and utterly ludicrous behaviour of subatomic particles.
So, like a universe who's time flows in the direction which entropy increases, so would the chain of Gods flow down into increased entropy until universes were so farcically unstructured that we would find it hard to comprehend. Of course, the people living there would find their world to be structured, or at least normal. So structure is relative. Our God may think our world to be chaotic, just as we believe our dreams to be chaotic, because his universe contains a higher level of structure. We would only find lower universes unstructured or higher universes too structured because we are used to the exact level of structure of our own universe. There would be no defining "normal" standard for the structure of a universe, except perhaps if there was a highest-level God who was not dreamt up by another God above him but instead existed as the pinnacle, the true God. His world would be the true sense of a structured universe.
Whether or not our dream characters are real is irrelevant- we are still theoretically Gods over our dreams. Very Happy
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4amlucidity



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Read the post called life is but a dream by eye in the sky. Proposes that the dream world only exists to the extent that you visually perceive it at any time. Some what like a video game
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