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What if some DCs were actual people?
Oh shit, oh shit, oh shit.
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That would be amazing. I'd practice LDing more seriously.
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I'd change my behavior in LDs. (please clarify below)
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Meh. Business as usual in my LDs.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:43 pm    Post subject: What if some DCs were actual people? Reply with quote

This topic prompted me to start this poll on lucid dream ethics...

Hypothetically speaking of course, if it were proven in a rigorous academic setting that some dream characters are actual people from waking life (i.e. shared dreams are found to be possible), would such a discovery change your behavior in lucid dreams? If so, in what way and why?

I think this is a very important question to ask ourselves. I look forward to your responses. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most view the lucid dreaming realm as a world without consequences so a lot of people would change their behavior if this was found to be true. I've always been of the view lucid dreams have consequences even if they are just on my own psyche so I don't think my behavior would change all that much because I'm less likely to do things that would cause problems if shared dreaming were possible.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sharing your dreams with others is possible. I don’t think that my behavior would be change because of the dream.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well first off I find this to be a scary thought XD Yet very interesting...
Of course it would change a lot! Dreamers wouldn't be going around harrassing or killing random DCs anymore (well at least most of them should). The possibility of eventually meeting some IRL you've met before in a dream means a complete revolution of the dream world. It wouldn't be that much of a dream world anymore, it would be a different level of plain reality. Just, y'know, with different physics and so on ^^
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Real DCs... that would be awesome.
My answer would change if you didn't specify "people from waking life": then they could be people that exist in our world, that happen to be sharing a dream with us, since we are sleeping at the same time. Or people that live only in our dreams. Or people that live in a parallel universe that is connected to ours through our dreams.
Honestly though, I do not believe that it would change my behaviour. If anything, it would make LDing more thrilling. Think about it:
Just say that some DCs are real people that exist in our world: we're just sharing dreams with them. Unless they have read this exact thread (which is overwhelmingly unlikely), or just have the unfounded believe that their DCs are real (also not exactly a common belief Razz ), they won't know that you are a real person. It doesn't matter what you do to them, even if you know them in real life. They will simply wake up in the morning and think "I just a bad dream that one of my dream characters beat me up and flew away" and think no more of it. They may feel slightly unhappy upon waking, as some traumatic dreams make you feel, but no ill will come from it in their waking life (unless you make a habit of beating them up in their dreams EVERY night, making them scared of going to sleep... you'd be their own personal Freddy Krueger). No matter what you do in the dream, you will not be causing any harm to the real person, with the expection of mental trauma caused by constant harrassment, which would be wrong. And who are they going to tell, even if they do think you're real? "Help, police! A guy keeps beating me up in my sleep, could you please arrest him?". I don't mean to sound like an asshole here, I'm not saying it's necessarily okay to beat up a real preson, even in a dream, but if you're going to do it, a dream is sure a whole lot better than in real life.
And think of the thrill of doing something socially unacceptable in public, in front of a REAL PERSON, with no fear of repercussions? They will just think that you are a figment of their dream. Get naked, shoot another DC, whatever floats your boat. I think that the concept of that is pretty cool.
If these people live in the dream only it's a different story, because causing harm to them would mean causing real harm to their "waking life" which happens to also be your dream. I would teach them how to escape their earthly bonds and soar in their world. I would be like a God to them, visiting every night, teaching them how to fly, manipulating the laws of matter at will... If this was the case, I would definitely mind my actions.
But in reality, the circumstances don't matter ias long as it's real people that you are dealing with. Some normal laws would have to apply, causing harm to people is wrong in any circumstance if you have the knowledge that they are real. Perhaps in this case, ignorance would be bliss...
So ethically, normal rules, but loosened because, let's face it, dream actions won't affect their waking life at all, provided that it's not a regular occurrence or that they know that some DCs are real.
Think about how cool it would be to approach a real-life person in a dream. They're oblivious to the fact that you're real. You tell them that they are dreaming, and that they are in complete control. You also tell them that you are real and that they are sharing a dream with you and possibly numerous others. They won't believe you, so give them some real life information, like your phone number, one digit per night so that they can remember it when they wake up, or your address. They can then contact you in real life and you can confirm that you were sharing a dream with them. You could train them in the art of lucid dreaming, and then have epic lucid battles in your dreams.
People would use this information completely unethically though. I'm sure many would perform inception upon the unwitting, planting constant ideas in their head every night. It would be easy to cheat on your partner because you do it within a dream with another person, so their isn't any evidence unless they share the dream and catch you.
If enough people became aware of the other real people within their dreams, a second culture would emerge, a moving, growing culture within the dream, where people could trade and chat and study and date and train and explore... the dream would be like entering another city, full of life. You could meet up with your friends, learn and chill, hold secret meetings... It would be the ultimate hedonistic society. A lawless world of enjoyment and exploration. Of course, you'd eventually need dream police to stop dream criminals from perpetrating mind-crimes. Dream police would be elite lucid dreamers that could manipulate the dream to catch criminals raping and beating and murdering and performing inception etc. Of course, the criminals would be good at what they do. If someone kills you in a dream, you won't die for real, but it still would be pleasant, especially if they did it every night...
I wrote a short story a bit like this last year, about a dream society. And another one about a society of DCs who lived permanently in the dream, as in, that was their real world, and it was constantly interrupted by sleepers like us, who would invariably wreak havoc in our dreamy stupor. Lucid dreamers in that world would be a very dangerous thing...
Interestng idea. This actually has me wanting a dream society. It would be like a second life! Unfortunately, it would lend itself to escapism. People that weren't happy with their waking life would try and live in the dream world as much as possible. Sorry for getting off topic! Razz
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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would practice more on lucid dreaming. To be honest, sometimes I do feel like certain people in my dreams are actually real just because of how they act. Or sometimes I feel like I accidentally stumble into someone else's dream. Not sure if it is true, but it sure would be neat. I would love to be able to dream share. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2013 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That would be the coolest thing ever! And it would be this secret society who knew the truth (us). If that happened no doubt we would control the world from the shadows, visit an unsuspecting world leader when they dream, and so on...
who watches the watchmen?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If someone was in your dreams, if you're not lucid i think you wouldn't be able to spot eachother. But if you are and the other dreamer isn't and they do try to catch a bullet. They would just wake up thinking they had an odd dream. I guess it would be the same of any morally questionable act. But say if you were both lucid. It would be easier to spot eachother if you were doing things you don't do in real life. thats just my thoughts on the matter. Also asking a person something that only a dream character would know ie. "What is my dream job?" would also help you identify another dreamer. also for every dreamer in a dream the dreamworld should become more solid. so if someone is dreaming with you. it's probubly harder to walk through a wall.
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